We are talking with Colby Martin, digital pastor, spiritual coach, and author of “Unclobber: Rethinking Our Misuse of the Bible on Homosexuality” and “The Shift: Surviving and Thriving after Moving from Conservative to Progressive Christianity.” We jump right into the ways that the church’s interpretation of scripture and treatment of LGBTQ+ people have led to religious abuse and trauma, and we explore ways to think about a more loving and inclusive approach.